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Wind power liesA page in the Wind Power Ethics group*No-one does good by lying. In most cases you can't do much harm by telling the truth, so far as you know it. This I believe.While there are problems associated with wind power (what technology has no problems?) most of what is written and spoken in opposition to wind power contains, indeed is often based on, lies. On these pages I try to give only the truth. Interestingly, opposition to the burning of fossil fuels is usually based on facts. There is ample ethical justification for opposing fossil fuels, but very little for opposing wind power. Many opponents of wind power feel that they are justified in repeating anything that casts a negative light on wind power, some even encourage others to make up illnesses and blame them on wind turbines. This page was intended to list many of the more common lies and then give the truth. Then I realised that this was not a good idea – for reasons explained below. Contact: David K. Clarke – © |
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Magna est veritas, et praevalebitTruth is great and will prevailThe delusion that wind turbines can cause illness largely ran its course from about 2010 to 2014. By 2014 the imaginary 'evil wind turbine rays' had been totally discredited. All the opponents were left with was possible anxiety 'caused' by seeing and hearing wind turbines and the possibility of some sleep disruption caused by wind turbine sounds. Of course the liars could go on lying, but any honest people who did their homework could not justify opposing wind power developments by any arguments other that those such as "I don't like wind turbines"; "I don't want to see wind turbines"; "I don't want wind turbines near me" and "I don't want to ever hear wind turbines". In October 2021 a study carried out by South Australia's Flinders University found that there was negligible adverse impact on sleep from nearby wind turbines, so even that claim was lost to the opponents. The study was funded by the Abbott government, seemingly in the hope of finding reasons to oppose this form of sustainable energy and so support the fossil fuel lobby.
There are problems with wind power that opponents could cite, but they are far, far smaller than the problems with the main alternative, fossil fuel power. Environmental problems with wind turbines are smaller even than those with solar photovoltaic power. Nuclear power has environmental problems and is far too expensive to compete with modern renewables.
The first lie
"People, animals and wildlife cannot tolerate what the [wind] turbines
generate"
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So, I thought, instead of starting with the lie, I should start with the fact and mention the lie in a much less prominent way further down. For example, I could start with "Wind farms generate lots of electricity", discuss the (ample and convincing) justification for this and later say that many wind power detractors claim that wind turbines generate very little electricity.
The problem here would be that I would, in effect, then be rewriting my page Wind power problems, alleged problems and objections.
I have added 'NOT' to the lies listed below in an effort to have the reader get the factual message loud and clear.
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It must be said that, while the claims discussed in this section are incredible (in the true sense of the word), some of those who have made the claims actually believe them; so are not liars.
March 2012This weird claim was published before I wrote this page, but I thought it well and truly deserved an entry. It is part of a comment by outspoken wind power opponent George Papadopoulos (pharmacist of Yass) in Climate Spectator."Should anyone wonder why I am so against wind turbines, it is because the recent installation of 40 of them 35km away at times has turned the quiet rural area of the northern hills of Yass into a rumbling mess. The contraptions are a disaster. Anyone who doubts should consider living in my situation."I have visited all the wind farms in SA, most of those in Victoria, some in WA. The greatest distance I have ever heard a wind turbine from was 2.5km (correction, on 2013/07/07 I managed to just hear some turbines 3.0km away), and then only in ideal conditions. Also read the speech by Anita Bucher, who lives 3km from a wind farm and rarely hears the turbines. Like so many of those who are outspoken in their opposition to wind power, Mr Papadopolous seems not to understand the inverse square law of physics. Apparently Mr Papadopoulos has links to homoeopathy, so one should not expect a particularly strong connection with the real world. |
June 2012I received this by email;"Denmark, which pioneered wind power, had a period of 80 days continuous when no power at all was generated." On questioning this, the person concerned replied "I cant find the report on the 80 day period without wind power in my large number of files. If and when I do I will send it to you." (I never received it.) It is simply false, but not only that, any thinking person who knows anything at all about wind power could see that it was quite incredible. Denmark is a small country, it is possible that there might have been a day in the last few years in which the wind didn't blow over the whole country. In Australia it is unusual for a single wind farm to go so long as a day without generating power, let alone all the wind farms in a state or the nation. (To be quite sure I checked with the Danish Wind Energy Association. They confirmed that it was not true and had not previously come across the claim.) |
July 2012The Tasmanian wedge-tailed eagle is in very little danger from wind turbines"The Tasmanian Wedge-tailed Eagle is being driven to extinction by windfarms." This was written by Cathy Taibbi in Wildlife Conservation Examiner.The Tasmanian sub-species of the Australian wedge tailed eagle is endangered and its population is declining, but wind farms are not the cause. Taibbi's claim was at least partly based on a piece by Mark Duchamp published on iberica2000. He wrote "TWT [Tasmanian wedge tailed] eagles are being killed in significant numbers at the Woolnorth wind farm" and "the species is now condemned to rapid extinction".
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August 2012The people of the Waubra Foundation live in their own FantasylandWaubra Foundation: Health Assessment Suggested Guidelines by Sarah Laurie. (While this document is dated March, I didn't come across it until August.)Professor Simon Chapman extracted another seven health problems/illnesses/symptoms from this document increasing his list of health problems blamed on wind turbines to a (literally) unbelievable 184 (222 by the end of November 2012). The new problems were:
There are no health problems caused by wind turbines known to science and wind farms save lives by displacing air polluting coal-fired power stations. |
September 2012A lie of a different type this month. One of the opponents of Waterloo Wind Farm, Mary Morris, sent out an email to a number of other opponents asking them to report sleeping problems and illnesses to the two local councils. There was no suggestion that these problems needed to be factual. |
October 2012This month was the first time I've come across an anti-wind power Net site called sWINDle. It is well named, being full of lies and aiming at misleading the public. I have written a response to it.You have to wonder; if the anti-wind power people have truth, right and goodness on their side, why do they resort to lies and misleading statements to make their case? |
November 2012In her submission to the Senate Committee on renewable energy and noise from wind farms (Submission No. 3) Mrs Marie Burton wrote "People who stand underneath them [wind turbines] cannot hear anything and up to 10 km away in some cases further they are heard especially under certain weather conditions and you definitely have a problem."
Similar silly statements ("you can't hear turbines up close but they are louder some kilometres away") have been made a number of times by the High Priestess of 'Wind Turbine Syndrome", Sarah Laurie, and other opponents of wind power. It seems that some people hear statements like this and repeat them without personally testing them or checking their veracity. To test it all you need to do is visit a wind farm – you will always hear the nearer turbines and not those further away – as you would expect in any real-world situation.
Ms Marie Burton signs her submission as a Justice of the Peace. One would suppose that she did this in the belief that the Senate Committee would take more notice of her submission because she is a JP. Wouldn't one also expect a JP to be more careful about telling the truth? |
December 2012Wind turbines are so efficient that they generate about 40% of South Australia's electricity and consume no fuel!
The Oxford English Reference Dictionary defines efficiency as: "The ratio of useful work performed to the total energy expended or heat taken in." Efficiency is very important in the case of fossil fuel power stations because fossil fuels are a finite resource – once we use them they are gone, and when burned they produce carbon dioxide and other substances that kill people and cause climate change and ocean acidification; so it is very important to get as much electricity as we possibly can per tonne of fossil fuel. A typical ratio of 'useful work' (electricity generated) to 'heat taken in' for fossil fuelled power stations is about 1/4; ie; 25% efficiency. What about the efficiency of wind power? There is no 'energy expended' or 'heat taken in', so the ratio is 1/0! Electricity is generated, but nothing is consumed; infinitely efficient! (This is not absolutely true; energy is taken from the wind, but that is without any sort of cost that anyone has identified, and if the wind isn't blowing the turbines do consume a little electricity to run various equipment.) Perhaps Mr Taylor would be surprised to know that South Australia's power went from near 0% to 26% renewable ("gobsmackingly inefficient" wind power) between 2003 and 2012. At the same time coal went from 42% of SA's power down to 25% and gas from 58% to 49%. (By 2019 the wind turbines were generating 39% of SA's power and the last of the state's coal fired power stations had closed in 2016.) Mr Taylor is repeating nonsense that he has read or been told without looking into the facts. As an aside; China installed 18GW of wind power in 2011 alone; seven times the total installed wind power in Australia at the end of that year. Cleantechnica reported that they had installed another 20GW by the end of the third quarter of 2012. Obviously they don't share Mr Taylor's opinion about wind power being 'gobsmackingly inefficient'. |
January 2013(It was also in January that I came across Senator Sean Edwards' very misleading piece about wind power; it was a good month for lies.) | |||||||||||
Boorowa District Landscape Guardians (BDLG)My first pick for the January lie was BDLG, whose Net site I looked at for the first time on 2013/01/28. (I hadn't come across an outrageous and obvious lie previously in January. Landscape Guardian sites are always fertile ground for finding great porkies.)
I could easily continue by picking out many lies in the BDLG brochure about wind turbine efficiency, it's stuffed full of lies, but as I like to keep these sections short I will select only one item. The BDLG claim; "Does wind power allow the decommissioning of a single fossil fuelled power generator? – NO, not at anytime anywhere in the world!"Big lie!
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Would-be PM's advisor squeezes nine fallacies into one sentenceThis well-and-truly deserved a space. I don't know what it is that qualifies a man to be PM's advisor, but you can see from this that, at least for Tony Abbott, honesty is not high on the list of priorities!The following was published in Climate Spectator regarding a new Prime Minister's Business Advisory Council to advise the Executive Government, supposing that the Liberals get into government. The Council is to be headed by Maurice Newman.
On wind power Mr Newman wrote in the publication The Spectator:
For more on Mr Newman's fallacies see elsewhere.
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February 2013There were three lies that warranted listing in February. It was a good month for lies.Mr Abbott, you have always made a big thing of PM Gillard's breaking of her promise to not bring in a carbon tax, why is it OK for you to lie on this?
Reneweconomy published this on 2013/02/01: "Abbott did, of course, promise to repeal the carbon tax, saying his previous support for the measure was in the context of other countries doing the same. He insisted no other country is going "anywhere near" carbon taxes or trading schemes – apparently having never heard of carbon taxes and ETS's and pilot programs implemented and planned throughout the 27 states of Europe, Scandinavia, New Zealand, South Korea, China, California, a bunch of other American states and Canadian provinces, South Africa and Mexico. Not to mention Kazakhstan. And where did we find such subversive information? Well, Google would have done the trick, but most of it is contained in his own Direct Action policy."Christiana Figueres, the executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), said there was a misconception among many Australians that their nation was acting alone in combating the problem. (The Abbott Opposition has been very effective in convincing many Australians of this fallacy.) She went on to say "Every one of Australia's top trading partners has something already in place." (Eco News, 2013/02/17)
One of the safest forms of power generation criticised as dangerousJames Delingpole, writing in Stop These Things (always a reliable source of lies) would be a possible February liar. He wrote about how dangerous wind turbines were. See the graph on the right.James, we have to generate our electricity somehow. Wind power is one of the safest ways. *GWey is an abbreviation for Gigawatt-energy-years, so the fatalities are related to the amount of energy produced in order to allow a comparison of safety in the various power generation industries. The productivity of wind farms does not decline significantly with timeA document written by Gordon Hughs and published by the Renewable Energy Foundation (a right-wing front group for climate science denialists) claimed to show that the load factor (effectively the same as the capacity factor) of wind farms in the UK and Denmark decline greatly with the age of the wind farms (up to 15 years). For example Hughs claimed that the load factor of UK onshore wind farms declined from 24% at age 1 year to 15% at age 10 and 11% at age 15.This is absolute nonsense as shown in a document written by Per Nielsen of EMD International. (I have received a copy of Nielsen's document, but I don't know of anywhere it is available on the Net.) Nielsen shows that the generation of power from wind farms in Denmark have slightly increased with time. Australian wind farms show no decline in productivity with age. Further; Australia's wind farms run at a weighted average capacity factor of about 35%; it is doubtful that the capacity/load factor of UK wind farms was ever as low even as the 24% claimed by Hughs; 15% and 11% are beyond belief. |
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March 2013Here we are at 10th March and already I have come across several lies, from one place, that well and truly deserve being called The Lie of the Month.1: Free land
"impacts on property values, diminishing values from 30% – 100%"No matter all the evidence that land values are hardly affected by wind farms; these people are claiming that land will be given away on YP after the wind farm is built!
The graph on the right shows recorded prices of houses sold at Edithburgh,
also on Yorke Peninsula and about 60km south of the Ceres proposal.
Edithburgh is 2.6km from the nearest turbines of the
Wattle Point Wind Farm,
completed in 2005.
There is no sign of declining property values at Edithburgh.
2: Aerial spraying
Many non-farmers who live in rural areas don't like the aerial spraying of pesticides. Are HF saying that if any of these were to install a domestic wind turbine no aerial spray planes will come within 3km? 3: NoiseA person who is very much involved with the anti-Ceres campaign, but has stated that she does not speak for Heartland Farmers uses the name "The Callous Wind". On 2013/03/09 The Callous Wind left a comment on The Problem With Ceres page of Heartland Farmers' Net site; "...most people on the Peninsula will hear [the wind turbines]".The greatest distance from which I have ever heard a wind turbine is 2.5km, and then only in near ideal circumstances. Yorke Peninsula is about 170km long! Do these people really believe their own propaganda, or do they just think that the rest of us are staggeringly thick? |
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May 2013
Actually, the average Australian wind farm generates around 35% of its installed capacity. Considering that most wind farms don't generate at full capacity very often it should be obvious even to the writer of STT that the average wind farm must generate power far more than 25% of the time. It is closer to 70 or 80% of the time. The graph on the right, which was from the data of the most recent full day available at the time I read the STT posting, shows that of the 27 wind farms logged by the Wind Farm Performance site, most were generating most of the day. |
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June 2013
Before going any further let's just give this some thought in the context of the world wind power industry. World-wide wind power has been growing at an exponential rate for several decades. In 2011 alone, China installed around 17GW of wind power (at the end of 2012 the total wind power in Australia was about 2.5GW). Can the reader believe that the energy experts all over the world are busy installing thousands of turbines each year when the whole thing is grossly counter-productive? Are Mr Ridgway and Dr Sexton (an economist) saying that all the world's most economically advanced nations are run by naïve fools? Mr Ridgway implied that most of the carbon dioxide involved was released from the making of the cement in the footings of the wind turbines. The actual time in which a wind farm 'pays back' the CO2 component of the footings is not 3580 years, but rather a very few days. A similar claim made by wind power opponents relates to how long a wind farm takes to pay back the energy used in the construction of the whole wind farm. The figure for this is around five or six months. If one looks at the carbon intensity of wind farms it works out at about 10 or 12 grams of CO2 per kWh of energy generated. The corresponding figure for coal is about 1000. Considering another way of looking at this question, wind farms abate around one tonne of carbon dioxide (CO2) for each megawatt-hour (MWh) of electricity that they generate. The Ceres wind farm, if built, will generate about two million MWh each year. Mr Ridgway claimed that the wind farm would be responsible for releasing a total of 398,000 tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere (although how this figure was arrived at we were not told). From these figures we can simply calculate that the wind farm will abate the CO2 in a fifth of a year. |
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July 2013Naomi Bittner, Chair of the Heartland Farmers, a group opposed to the Ceres wind farm on Yorke Peninsula, is quoted on one of David Ridgway's Net pages as saying: "We know that these turbines can shift spray drift from one paddock to another and, if the spray is not compatible with that crop in the other paddock, it will kill it." I emailed Dr Bittner asking her to substantiate her claim; I received no reply.This is a bizarre claim, but it seems that Mr Ridgway is willing to repeat anything that seems to cast wind turbines in a bad light, no matter how incredible. The blades of modern wind turbines don't come any closer to the ground than about 30 or 40m. When a farmer (or an aerial spraying contractor) is spraying, using chemicals that will be toxic to adjacent crops, they have to be very careful that as little as possible of the spray drifts anywhere. Most spraying has to be done when there is little or no wind; in which case nearby turbines would not be operating at all. How spray could get up 30 or 40m above the ground to be picked up by a wind turbine and then 'shifted' to another paddock, if the spray operator is doing his job properly, is unimaginable. |
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September 2013I suspect that this is not a lie; in that the person who said it probably believed it to be true. Is it delusion? Is it a person searching for explanations and justifications for preconceptions?
In a comment on The truth about Waubra on Yes 2 Renewables, 2013/09/25, George Papadopolous, a pharmacist from Yass, NSW, and a long-time wind turbine opponent stated that: "cylindrical projection of noise is what applies to wind turbines – not the inverse square law."Mr Papadopolous believes that this is what explains how he is forced from his home by noise from wind turbines 35km away. "Why would someone living 35km from wind turbines drive off in the middle of the night to sleep in his car a further 40km or so west twice in one week?" Cylindrical spreading of sound does apply in a situation where the sound waves can reflect off an upper and lower boundary, such as in a water body. With cylindrical spreading the sound intensity decreases by an amount directly proportional to the distance (neglecting any sound energy absorbed by the air or water or by the boundaries). In the atmosphere density layering can provide some refraction of sound waves, but there is no efficient upper reflective boundary, and the rough surface of the land, usually covered with vegetation, tends to absorb and scatter sound waves, so cylindrical spreading does not apply. But even if cylindrical spreading (or projection) did apply to wind turbine sound, the intensity at 35km would still be less than one 35th of the very low sound levels at 1km. (In the real world, the sound intensity at 35km will be less than 1/1225th that at 1km.) The truth, of course, is that the sound from wind turbines is rarely audible from distances greater than 3km and infrasound near wind turbines is no greater than elsewhere. |
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October 2013
Mr Walker said: "96 percent of the wind energy generated in South Australia goes to Victoria"This claim is quite bizarre and, given only a little consideration, can be seen to be complete nonsense! When electricity is generated on the Eastern Australian interconnected network it goes into a system of transmission lines. Whether the electricity is generated by wind turbines or any other method, it goes into the same network. There is no way that wind-generated electricity could be kept separate from the rest and the great majority of it sent to Victoria. Even if this miracle of electron-sorting could somehow be achieved, why would it matter? If South Australia's wind power was exported to Victoria it would displace some of Victoria's brown-coal-generated power, which is among the dirtiest in Australia in greenhouse gas terms. The whole idea of renewable energy is to do just that; replace the dirtiest of the fossil-fuel-generated power. |
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November 2013Tony Walker, the same as got the gong for the lie of the month for October 2013 gains a mention again this month.This time it was not for a single lie, but a whole letter to the Editor of the Murray Valley Standard full of highly questionable claims; too many to repeat here. He managed to get it wrong about:
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June 2014This one is more gross stupidity than a lie. Variations of this are heard from time to time, see here. (Curiously I have not seen so many blatant lies recently; hence the gap in postings on this page.)From that font of nonsense, Stop These Things: "Melissa says: A little thought will show anyone with any grasp of engineering at all that this is a crazy claim. In the first place anyone could see by observing a wind farm for a time that the blades do not turn at the same rate all the time. If the wind stops, the turbines stop. What is the fact? Lane Crockett, head of Pacific Hydro, has informed me (2014/06/12) that "a typical 2 MW wind turbine will use about 5 kW when not spinning". To put this into perspective, the same turbine, in eastern Australian conditions, will generate a long term average of around 700 kW. |
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July 2014A false claim on the frequency of wind turbine firesThis example shows how irresponsible journalists and people ideologically opposed to wind power can latch onto even a very poorly written report to spread the fallacies that suit them. The report involved was "Overview of Problems and Solutions in Fire Protection Engineering of Wind Turbines".I have written about this lie in depth on another page on this site. |
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December 2014
In December 2014 Jo Nova, a popular climate science denier, published a graph almost identical to this one (I added the trend line) in an effort to discredit a statement from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology about the spring of 2014 being the hottest on record in Australia. Apart from showing her poor understanding of science, she seemed to have missed the fact that the data used in the graph contradicts two of her claims:
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July 2015Alan Jones blunders on ABC's Q&AAlan Jones made a fool of himself on Australian national TV, ABC's Q&A 2015/07/20, by claiming that the cost of wind power was $1502 per kilowatt-hour (about 13,000 times the actual figure).Alan Pears wrote a Fact Check for The Conversation three days later. Pears showed that the cost of wind power was actually a little more expensive than some coal technologies and cheaper than others, especially so when there was a price on CO2 emissions or with carbon capture and storage. Jones said: "80% of Australian energy comes from coal, coal-fired power, coal-fired power, and it's about $79 a kilowatt hour. Wind power is about $1502 a kilowatt hour. That is unaffordable. If you take that power and feed it into the grid, then every person watching this program has electricity bills going through the roof."Pears showed that the actual cost of wind power was $111-$122 a megawatt-hour (MWh) and coal ranged from $84 to $205 depending on the type of technology and whether CO2 emissions were taken into consideration. Mr Jones' use of 'kWh' rather than 'MWh' was probably a 'slip of the tongue' that many of us could easily make, but even allowing for this, his figure for the cost of wind power was still too high by a factor of about 13. Recent (2015-16) contracts written by the ACT government have named wholesale prices from $77 to $92/MWh. Giving a price for wind power 13,000 times as high as the actual figure Jones came as close as anyone I know of to another wind power opponent, Dr Roger Sexton who over-estimated the time it would take a wind farm to pay-back the carbon released from its construction by a factor of 60,000. |
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January 2016South Australian's electricity bills are slightly higher than in other states
The Heartland Farmers are a particularly dishonest anti-wind-power group based on Yorke Peninsula in South Australia. Continuing with the Heartland Farmers' low standards in January 2016, Naomi Bittner, one of the leaders of the group, wrote a claim on the HF Facebook page that we, in South Australia, were paying three times as much for our power as is paid in other states – implying that this was due to our wind power. In fact, as shown by an ABC fact check, SA's power bills are only marginally higher than other states. (See the graph on the right.) It also showed that the ACT, which is soon to have 100% renewable power – much of it wind power – has the cheapest power in the nation. The reference that Ms Bittner used in support of her claim did not say that South Australians were paying three times as much as people in other states, it referred to the average spot wholesale price on Christmas Day of 2015 being three times higher in SA than in other states – which has very little relevance to the price that South Australian retail consumers pay. By the way, the main reason that electricity in SA is more expensive than in other states is that most of it is generated by burning expensive gas while the other states have cheap (and highly polluting) coal. |
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June 2016Lyndsey Ward: wind factory fighterLyndsey Ward is based in Scotland; she calls herself a 'wind factory fighter'.She picked an argument with me about wind power in June 2016. There was probably no one particular lie that stood out, but her use over and over of untruths, false premises, unjustified accusations, irrelevancies and exaggerations was impressive. It justified a page of its own. |
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January 2017
The Heartland Farmers, the vocal group who oppose the proposed Ceres wind farm on Yorke Peninsula, have long claimed that water bombing fire fighting aircraft cannot operate anywhere near wind turbines. Frightening people is a very effective way of raising strong feeling and opposition to any project. The Heartland Farmers people certainly know this, they have been telling people that they have a good chance of losing their homes to fires because water bombing aircraft won't be able to save them; they never had evidence to support their claim. The photo on the right tells the true story. There is more information, and more photos, on another page on this site. |
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February 2017
This is the first time I've been moved to add Prime Minister Malcolm
Turnbull to this page.
He has made many highly biased statements about wind- and coal-power, but
his statements on the electricity 'load-shedding' event of 2017/02/09 were
blatantly false.
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September 2018
Mr Taylor got himself a place on this page back in
December 2012 when he made the demonstrably false claim that "wind farms are gobsmackingly inefficient in producing electricity".
Since then he has been made Energy Minister in the Morrison Government.
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October 2018
It seems that Ms Bonaros saw words and phrases such as "hypertension", "ischaemic heart disease", "permanent hearing impairment" and "tinnitus" associated with wind turbines in a World Health Organisation report about environmental noise and health.
She then apparently jumped to the conclusion that the latter caused the former.
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February 2019
Earlier in February I was trolled by someone using the name James Dean.
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October 2022
Federal Member of the House of Representatives (Liberal) for Forest Nola Marino made a speech in parliament in October 2022 in which she said, three times, words to the effect that "the life span of wind turbines ranges from 10 to 15 to around 20 years".
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November 2023
After the wind power liars seemed to have a long rest (or perhaps the media had a rest from reporting the lies of the wind farm opponents) they have become active again with the many proposals for offshore wind farms around Australia's coast.
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February 2024
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The zone would be capable of containing 20 gigawatts (20 million kilowatts) of clean, sustainable wind farms that would, over their life, abate millions of tonnes of greenhouse carbon dioxide.
Andre Hastie, whose electorate includes part of southern Perth and goes down to Mandurah and a little further south, produced a petition to oppose this development.
While the wording of the petition itself was fairly innocuous, Mr Hastie's preamble was full of lies and misleading statements.
I dissect the lies and absurdities in Mr Hastie's preamble below:
Mr Hastie's statements
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"Labor is planning to lock up nearly 8,000 square kilometres of coast for an offshore wind farm 20 kilometres off the coast of Mandurah, all the way down to Dunsborough."
| Not a single kilometre of coast is going to be locked up. The sentence is nonsensical in any case: he says that the development would be locking up the coast and also that it is 20km off the coast, contradicting himself.
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"What will this do to our coastal lifestyle? What will this do to recreational and commercial fishing?"
| The short answers to these three questions are: nothing, nothing and nothing bad. How many people swim or surf 20km or more off the coast? How many recreational fishermen go out 20km or more? (There is nothing in the proposal indicated that recreational fishing between the turbines will not be allowed.) Trawl fishing in the wind farm area may be banned; I would argue that would be a big plus for the sea floor environment.
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"You'll never see a 120-metre-tall wind turbine in Cottesloe."
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"Labor is coming for our community and our coastal lifestyle."
| In what way? How could a wind farm 20km of the coast, so far as to be hardly noticeable, damage the community and coastal lifestyle?
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"They don't care that wind turbines fuelling their green dreams are built in countries like China"
| Yes, many wind turbines are built in China. Others are built in the USA, India, Germany, South Korea, Japan, Iran, Croatia, Spain, Taiwan, France, Denmark, Brazil and Belgium. They would also be built in Australia if Mr Hastie's Liberal party has not been so opposed to renewable energy for so many years.
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"And they don't care that you're paying higher power bills because of their pursuit of renewables."
| The fact is that in 2024 wind power is (together with solar power) one of the cheapest forms of electricity generation available.
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"Our community doesn't want to carry the burden of replacing proven coal and gas power with renewables."
| As I have shown above, there is very little burden. Does Mr Hastie really think that the local people would prefer to see good farm land turned into ugly coal mines with the resulting emissions and fatalities from air pollution?
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Tellingly, one lie that Mr Hastie didn't include was the one about offshore wind farms harming dolphins and whales. I suspect he would have left this out because he wouldn't expect his supporters to care much about anything in the natural environment.
I have argued elsewhere on these pages that for a person in a position of power to dishonestly oppose action on climate change is a crime against humanity. Mr Hastie, with his lies and absurd claims is guilty of this crime.
On another page on this site I call for an honest, decent, climate-progressive, independent person to take Mr Hastie's seat of Canning away from him, for the good of the community, the state, the nation and the world. There is also a page devoted to Mr Hastie on my site.
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The prominent (Australian) liars
This section is not aimed at abusing or vilifying those people who oppose
wind farms honestly.
Everyone has the right to stand up for what they believe in; if they think
that wind turbines will spoil their view they have every right to express
their opinion.
If a person doesn't like the sound of turbines and there is a proposal to
build one or more turbines close to his or her house (eg. less than 2km) he
has the right to say so.
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This section is aimed at helping readers find the facts about people who publicly spread lies and misinformation as a means of discrediting wind power. Organisations that spread lies about wind power are listed elsewhere on this page.
A sincere (and selfish) thank you to all the liarsPeople like many of those I've mentioned on this page, who twist the truth and outright lie in order to oppose action on climate change, action that is desperately needed if our children and grandchildren are to have a future, are about as close as anyone can come to being simply evil in the twenty-first century.Shining a light on their lies, giving honest people the facts about wind power, and in the process, foiling the subversion of groups and individuals like these gives me a great deal of satisfaction. It gives me another very worth-while purpose in my retirement; something that I can do and be very proud of doing. What better can anyone do with their time than expose those who, apparently by their ignorance and selfishness, are working to damage the world that we should be doing our best to protect? From a purely selfish point of view, thank you to the wind power liars, you have provided me with work that I can be proud of doing. Moving onAs of mid 2020 wind power has become wide spread and is generally accepted as necessary and harmless. Consequently there are less lies, or at least less notice being taken of the lies about wind power and therefore less need for me to counter the lies. Much of my spare time in the more recent years has been put into the fight to minimise the emissions that cause climate change and ocean acidification and improving Gleeson Wetlands in Clare, Crystal Brook's Bowman Park and Central Park and cleaning up rubbish on roadsides.All of these things make my life more meaningful and worthwhile. Moving on againIn early 2022 my wife, Denece, and I moved to Mandurah in Western Australia. Since then a significant amount of my time and effort has been taken in controlling weeds in and near parks, reserves and public places.In late 2023, while the number of lies about onshore wind farms have greatly decreased, it seemed that I will have more work to do in combating the lies about offshore wind farms. |
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References/Related pagesExternal pages...Resources for debunking common solar and wind myths; "These articles can help you tell fact from fiction".Climate Change and 'The Australian's' Graham Lloyd, by Roger Beale Ketan Joshi writes on some of the 'errors' made by Michael Cobb, an author of some anti-wind propaganda. Ketan also wrote on 'The junk scence of wind turbine syndrome' for Climate Spectator. References/Related pages on this site...Other pages on this site that deal with people and organisations that tell lies about wind power in an attempt to slow its development:
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